Pottermore Sorting: Sorting Hat Analysis and Meta

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c-pons-cartier asked: Self-proclaim Hufflepuff: I seem to be one of the few who actually sorts Barty Crouch Jr and Rita into hufflepuff, most people sort them in Ravenclaw or Slytherin. Where do you all sort them?

I think that Barty Crouch Jr will be officially Sorted Slytherin, but I would like to see him Hufflepuff (…much the same way I would’ve liked to have seen Umbridge Sorted into Hufflepuff.) He’s defined by his loyalty to Voldemort, very hard-working (ALL THE OWLS), and certainly patient (in the sense that he could wait for a full year while carrying out his plan, “unafraid of toil” in service to Voldemort, has his own warped sense of justice in terms of punishing the Death Eaters who recanted/saved themselves - as fake!Moody he Transfigures Draco because he wants to see his own form of justice served.)

Of course, you can say equally that Barty had to be ambitious to serve Voldemort and to achieve all those OWLs, that he was cunning in terms of executing his plan, that he was willing “to use any means” in impersonating another person and keeping an Auror locked in a trunk for a year, etc. etc., but ambition/hard work are generally coupled and loyalty is something we see in a lot of Death Eaters regardless of House (Bellatrix), so I do get the feeling that JKR’s going to justify the Slytherin Sorting of Barty in the same way she did Umbridge (especially given the blood purity tilt of Slytherin in the books that generally feels like it gets used as a deciding factor, and the name of Crouch being on the Famous Twenty-Eight list which is a majority-Slytherin/indicates families that were considered good pure-bloods in the early 20th century) - but yeah, I would very much like to see Barty (and the Crouch family in general!) in Hufflepuff. 

Rita Skeeter, I just can’t see in Hufflepuff. Of all the Houses, that’s the one I’d see her in least-often: she’s not loyal to anyone save herself, not patient, not concerned about justice, not at all humble, not concerned with fair play (and in fact is basically the opposite of fair play, specializing in twisting other people’s words and writing biased stories.) 

Realistically, I could see JKR putting her in Ravenclaw or Slytherin - Ravenclaw very frequently feels like JKR uses it for the dumping-grounds of people who fall under “not quite evil enough for Slytherin, not good” - and tbh I’m still completely baffled by her saying that Lockhart was a very narrow Sorting between Slytherin and Ravenclaw, not Ravenclaw and Gryffindor. (…well, not completely baffled, but I think it shows JKR’s bias towards “good guys go in Gryffindor” - if values matter when Sorting, Lockhart’s values are all Gryffindor in nature. His traits are lacking, but who he wants to be? But I digress.)

Rita’s certainly intelligent, quick-witted, I’d certainly peg her as more Ravenclaw than Gilderoy Lockhart - she’s got that cutting wit, creativity, and self-assured confidence in her own intelligence that could definitely mark a ‘Claw. But she’s also hugely ambitious, cunning, willing to use any means to achieve her ends - and her pursuit of knowledge is generally for other ends instead of being an end in and of itself. (From what we know, she became an Animagus for the purpose of getting better access for stories.) So I could see Rita going either way (…and either way, it’s going to feel disappointing - if she’s Ravenclaw, we have another morally bankrupt Ravenclaw a la Lockhart and Quirrell who cares more about knowledge (knowledge in Rita’s case being the pursuit of a story; even Ollivander’s “terrible, yes, but great” throws another Ravenclaw generally into that category - and of course, we’re not supposed to sympathize with Marietta) - and if she’s Slytherin, then we have another hugely unpleasant Slytherin who’s fundamentally not a good person to stack against a list of virtually non-existent “Slytherins who are both nice and good” (…Andromeda Tonks vs. the world, basically, at this point, though I’m still hoping Slyth gets Kingsley as well.)

Why would you Sort Rita into Hufflepuff? I’m curious - like I said, of all the Houses, she feels like she fits Puff least-well. (Gryffindor would be interesting given that she could fit a brash Gryffindor personality type, to a point, especially from a “Gryff-and-Slyth-two-sides-of-the-same-coin” standpoint - her reporting could have started from a “save-the-world, expose-the-truth” standpoint, Rita’s definitely willing to be daring in pursuit of a story - but I’d wager JKR will declare her a Claw or Slyth and the text does support those readings better, imho.

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truebluefangirl asked: One more quick thing: Been reading the blog and is Quirrel pressing wildflowers actually canon on Pottermore? If so where can I find it? Lol

It was originally on there, but I believe it was one of the pieces of information that was later removed. “Pressing wildflowers” was listed as a hobby when the information on Quirrell was originally posted, but I know it wasn’t up a few months ago when I last visited the Quirrell bio. If it’s there, it would be listed under his hobbies at the top of the bio, but it was very definitely there when originally posted. (It’s frustrating - Pottermore has occasionally deleted information but given no notice, and they won’t allow comprehensive reposting of information on other sites, so AFAIK there’s really not a good way to track everything they’re deleting.) 

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im-a-high-functioning-psychopath:

Before the sorting hat how the fuck did the founders sort through students? Considering they couldn’t see into your mind did you just have to sit on a stool while the four of them sat there judging you?

I’d imagine that they didn’t throw everybody up on a stool in front of the rest of the school - also, I’d think it would have taken longer, as none of the Founders were magically psychic.

But, yeah, I think they’d talk to the kids, interview them, try to get a sense of who they were - it would definitely not be a two-minute thing. (While I tend to think that, in actual canon, they’d make the decision by the time the students arrived at the school/within a day or two of their arrival, it would be a neat idea if they housed all first-years in one place and waited to make their decision until they’d had a few months or even a full year to get to know the students.) It’s all very head-canon-y, of course, since we know next to nothing about the Founders-era school in canon, but…yeah, the definite indication is that the Founders picked their students based on their impressions of them, so an interview of some sort is most likely.

As to the second question (“why didn’t they make more Sorting Hats?), I think that the Hat is a complex piece of magic that’s probably not reproducible - a product of all four Founders, the four brightest witches/wizards of their age in Britain, I’d imagine the secret of its creation was lost shortly after its creation. (Perhaps its creation was a work of difficulty among the Founders, even, their only success - the Hat seems at least quasi-sentient, and to create something that can think for itself would be a tremendous achievement.) As for the issue of determining guilt/innocence, there are far larger issues that JKR’s had to tapdance around (why not use Veritaserum? why not use Legilimency?) - and, in fact, she’s never addressed what I think would be a much larger one: why wouldn’t you use Unbreakable Vows to ensure that everyone tells the truth on the witness stand, and/or force them to reveal their memories of any given event in a Pensieve - after all, Dumbledore can tell when memories have been tampered with, so surely a panel of experts would be able to, and an Unbreakable Vow would turn something like “do you swear to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” to “you’re going to tell the truth OR DIE.” Even given the atmosphere at the time and IIRC, JKR’s said the Ministry was eager to railroad/convict Sirius and not really searching for the truth, there are a lot of plot hole-y things related to the Wizarding justice system - but the Sorting Hat issue would be easily explained by it being a unique item that no one knows *how* to re-create, much like Ravenclaw’s diadem.

(This is why I imagine that the Unbreakable Vow has to be Dark Magic or have some other taboo against its use - otherwise, it would have a lot of uses, especially in the Wizarding World that has issues with freedoms/consent/etc. already.)

(Source: to-b-or-not-221b)

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Anonymous asked: i haven't been on pottermore in a while but i was one of the beta testers before the site went up and i remember how well slytherins got along with hufflepuffs and how gryffindors only got along with themselves. is that still the case on the site? and knowing the general personalities of these houses how do you explain the unexpected dynamics?

fbonnefoys:

pottermoreanalysis:

Tbh, I don’t really spend a lot of time on the site itself - in books 1-2, I was playing a lot more, but once they did the site revamp I lost interest - the games got repetitive, the posting there doesn’t allow for meaningful commentary, and I’m not at all into RP.

In terms of larger patterns, if you look at RL, Slytherins and Hufflepuffs seem to get along much better than you’d expect from Pottermore/JKR. There’s a large amount of Slytherin/Hufflepuff unity due to Slytherin and Hufflepuff getting short-ends-of-the-stick in terms of book portrayal (Hufflepuff commonly being seeing as the useless/leftovers house by general fandom and Slytherin being the evil House; Ravenclaw at least has Luna and being the “nerdy smart House” in the eyes of general fandom is less awful than being a leftover or eeeevil.) There’s also the fact that Slytherin and Hufflepuffs naturally have a lot in common - they’re group-focused, tend to have a focus on family loyalty, and are somewhat complementary in terms of the Pottermore Sorting putting Slyths on an external-ambition and Puffs on a hobbity-homey trajectory, so that they’re complementary in that respect. IRL, Slytherin and Hufflepuff seem to be a lot closer than Gryff and Puff - which makes more sense when you remove the Good/Evil alignment that JKR placed Puff and Slyth on, respectively, in the books, and consider that Gryffindor boldness may actually be a RL turnoff to humble Hufflepuffs, who see it as brash arrogance. 

(In terms of ‘Claws and RL, it’s interesting - while Slytherin and Ravenclaw get along fairly well, unsurprising given the overlap between the Houses, I personally am a ‘Claw with a ton of Puff friends, and have met plenty of fans where Puffs and Claws get along really well, where PM and even a lot of fanon seems to think that they’d be oil and water.) In terms of Gryffs getting along only with themselves, I think that’s more a consequence of there not being a lot of Gryffs around to befriend - the Internet/Tumblr fandom in general has a *LOT* fewer Gryffs than any other House, and those Gryffs tend to be less vocal, in part because they don’t need to in order to reclaim their House in the way that Puffs/Slyths are, and in part because they get sick of being told “you’re only Gryff because the Trio was there/it’s the hero House/you’re not really a Gryff.” So the Gryff aspect of fandom is less vocal, fewer in number, and generally less active, at least from what I’ve seen.

I was sorted into Slytherin and am quite fond of Hufflepuffs - I would have loved to be sorted into Hufflepuff, but I wasn’t for obvious reasons.
My girlfriend is a Hufflepuff, though <3

And I recently heard from someone that there seem to be more Slytherin/Hufflepuff-couples.

I really think this kind of dynamic is quite interesting, and I like the group-aspect you mentioned. For me, personally, I can say that I also value the traits associated with Hufflepuff - perhaps it’s like that for other Slytherins, too. I imagine that ambition and hard-working go well together in general :)

I also think it may have something to do with the fact that there’s a HUGE amount of Slytherpuff crossover on Pottermore proper - of all the Hatstalls I’ve seen, over 50% of them are Slytherpuff. In other words, it’s much more common/easier to get a Slytherpuff Hatstall than any other Hatstall (…and much more difficult to get Ravendor, interesting considering that the true canon Hatstalls we know of are both Ravendor/Gryffinclaw - McG and Flitwick.) 

but, anyway, a lot of people who got Slytherin were probably pretty close to Hufflepuff and vice-versa - and a fair number of each House were probably offered a choice between the two, which I imagine would create goodwill between the Houses (not to mention imply that the Houses themselves are personality- or at least answer-wise closer to each other, at least using the PM scoring algorithm.) 

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Anonymous asked: i haven't been on pottermore in a while but i was one of the beta testers before the site went up and i remember how well slytherins got along with hufflepuffs and how gryffindors only got along with themselves. is that still the case on the site? and knowing the general personalities of these houses how do you explain the unexpected dynamics?

Tbh, I don’t really spend a lot of time on the site itself - in books 1-2, I was playing a lot more, but once they did the site revamp I lost interest - the games got repetitive, the posting there doesn’t allow for meaningful commentary, and I’m not at all into RP.

In terms of larger patterns, if you look at RL, Slytherins and Hufflepuffs seem to get along much better than you’d expect from Pottermore/JKR. There’s a large amount of Slytherin/Hufflepuff unity due to Slytherin and Hufflepuff getting short-ends-of-the-stick in terms of book portrayal (Hufflepuff commonly being seeing as the useless/leftovers house by general fandom and Slytherin being the evil House; Ravenclaw at least has Luna and being the “nerdy smart House” in the eyes of general fandom is less awful than being a leftover or eeeevil.) There’s also the fact that Slytherin and Hufflepuffs naturally have a lot in common - they’re group-focused, tend to have a focus on family loyalty, and are somewhat complementary in terms of the Pottermore Sorting putting Slyths on an external-ambition and Puffs on a hobbity-homey trajectory, so that they’re complementary in that respect. IRL, Slytherin and Hufflepuff seem to be a lot closer than Gryff and Puff - which makes more sense when you remove the Good/Evil alignment that JKR placed Puff and Slyth on, respectively, in the books, and consider that Gryffindor boldness may actually be a RL turnoff to humble Hufflepuffs, who see it as brash arrogance. 

(In terms of ‘Claws and RL, it’s interesting - while Slytherin and Ravenclaw get along fairly well, unsurprising given the overlap between the Houses, I personally am a ‘Claw with a ton of Puff friends, and have met plenty of fans where Puffs and Claws get along really well, where PM and even a lot of fanon seems to think that they’d be oil and water.) In terms of Gryffs getting along only with themselves, I think that’s more a consequence of there not being a lot of Gryffs around to befriend - the Internet/Tumblr fandom in general has a *LOT* fewer Gryffs than any other House, and those Gryffs tend to be less vocal, in part because they don’t need to in order to reclaim their House in the way that Puffs/Slyths are, and in part because they get sick of being told “you’re only Gryff because the Trio was there/it’s the hero House/you’re not really a Gryff.” So the Gryff aspect of fandom is less vocal, fewer in number, and generally less active, at least from what I’ve seen.

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wingsofwriting asked: I just saw you reblog my post, which is a post I believe I eventually deleted, and if I didn't I meant to. I said that in a fit of anger months ago over a sorting that I saw as completely incorrect. I was wrong to say that about Hufflepuffs and I've apologized for it since then. I don't need your post bring me hate. And I don't know how many followers you have but I'm afraid it could do that.

I’d definitely like to think that my followers are better than that (seriously, if anybody following me is the sort of person who sticks hatemail in someone’s inbox, unfollow me now, because seriously wtf is wrong with you if you spend your free time sending hatemail to people), but I’ll throw this out here as a big do not send hate mail to the OP note.

(Seriously, general digression here but here have a sidebar: this blog is meant for meta, discussion, and otherwise dissecting HP. Responses to things posted in the general tags are posted publicly and meant to provoke discussion and should not ever result in personal attacks, hatemail, cowardly greyfaced messages, or anything towards any OP that would make them sad. Tumblr is supposed to be a place for people to happily spend their free time discussing the things they love and looking at pictures of things they love and talking to people with similar interests, not for making people sad. Don’t visit people’s inboxes to attack them, visit to make friends and talk and stuff.) 

Again, I would sincerely hope that nobody would even think of sending hate in the first place, but I can also tack an addendum to that post with a similar note. (If you’d prefer, I can take that down and repost the response without your name attached, though by now I’m assuming that it’s already been reblogged, so idk how much that’ll help if it’s gone beyond followers, but I’ll definitely do it if you’re concerned about getting hate.) Just let me know either way.  

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